Paper 19 ~ The Co-Ordinate Trinity-Origin Beings, Pages 214 - 222 ~ Presentations and Discussions Options

[Bonita]

Could it have something to do with the fact that Thought Adjusters are prepersonal and Inspired Spirits are superpersonal? Just a wild thought I had.

[Alina]

Hi All!

So Rick, I too am grateful for these treasures that we know as pearls of knowledge. This knowledge feeds our spiritual sensitivity and undoubtedly they grow the soul.


"There are more things in haven and in the land of your dreams to philosophy"
Hamlet

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23:2.8 3. Messengers of the Superuniverses. The Ancients of Days, those personalities of Trinity origin who preside over the destinies of the seven superuniverses, those trios of divine power and administrative wisdom, are bountifully supplied with Solitary Messengers. It is only through this order of messengers that the triune rulers of one superuniverse can directly and personally communicate with the rulers of another. Solitary Messengers are the only available type of spirit intelligence—aside, possibly, from the Inspired Trinity Spirits—that can be dispatched from the headquarters of one superuniverse directly to the headquarters of another. All other personalities must make such excursions by way of Havona and the executive worlds of the Master Spirits.

23:2.9 There are some kinds of information which cannot be obtained either by Gravity Messengers, reflectivity, or broadcast. And when the Ancients of Days would certainly know these things, they must dispatch a Solitary Messenger to the source of knowledge. Long before the presence of life on Urantia the messenger now associated with me was assigned on a mission out of Uversa to the central universe—was absent from the roll calls of Orvonton for almost a million years but returned in due time with the desired information.

23:2.10 There is no limitation upon the service of Solitary Messengers in the superuniverses; they may function as executioners of the high tribunals or as intelligence gatherers for the good of the realm. Of all the supercreations they most delight to serve in Orvonton because here the need is greatest and the opportunities for heroic effort are greatly multiplied. In the more needy realms we all enjoy the satisfaction of a more replete function.

107:4.4 Nonpersonalized Adjusters are visible only to Personalized Adjusters. My order, the Solitary Messengers, together with Inspired Trinity Spirits, can detect the presence of Adjusters by means of spiritual reactive phenomena; and even seraphim can sometimes discern the spirit luminosity of supposed association with the presence of Monitors in the material minds of men; but none of us are able actually to discern the real presence of Adjusters, not unless they have been personalized, albeit their natures are perceivable in union with the fused personalities of the ascending mortals from the evolutionary worlds. The universal invisibility of the Adjusters is strongly suggestive of their high and exclusive divine origin and nature.

107:4.5 There is a characteristic light, a spirit luminosity, which accompanies this divine presence, and which has become generally associated with Thought Adjusters. In the universe of Nebadon this Paradise luminosity is widespreadly known as the " pilot light "; on Uversa it is called the " light of life. " On Urantia this phenomenon has sometimes been referred to as that " true light which lights every man who comes into the world.

Good Saturday!

Alina.
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[Rick Warren]

Hi All!

So Rick, I too am grateful for these treasures that we know as pearls of knowledge. This knowledge feeds our spiritual sensitivity and undoubtedly they grow the soul.


"There are more things in haven and in the land of your dreams to philosophy"
Hamlet

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Good Saturday!

Alina.
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Thanks Alina. Found this on Wiki:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Phrasing almost 400 years old, still reflecting eternal truths, and corroborating new revelation...



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[Alina]

Oh! Rick... Yes, indeed, corroborates the Fifth Revelation!
I remember at this time point that tells us:

P48:7.1 The lower planes of morontia mota join directly with the higher levels of human philosophy.

It's beautiful! the thought that there were always advanced beings on earth, that through his philosophy have left us messages.
These messages that I just begin to understand more deeply

Thanks...love...



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Dear Alina, Thank you for your fast reply.

Love Carola

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5. INSPIRED TRINITY SPIRITS [Part 2 of 2]

P.220 - §2 The Inspired Spirits do not apparently belong to the evolutionary scheme of the individual planets or universes, and yet they seem to be almost everywhere. Even as I am engaged in the formulation of this statement, my associated Solitary Messenger's personal sensitivity to the presence of this order of Spirit indicates that there is with us at this very moment, not over twenty-five feet away, a Spirit of the Inspired order and of the third volume of power presence. The third volume of power presence suggests to us the probability that three Inspired Spirits are functioning in liaison.

P.220 - §3 Of more than twelve orders of beings associated with me at this time, the Solitary Messenger is the only one aware of the presence of these mysterious entities of the Trinity. And further, while we are thus apprised of the nearness of these divine Spirits, we are all equally ignorant of their mission. We really do not know whether they are merely interested observers of our doings, or whether they are, in some manner unknown to us, actually contributing to the success of our undertaking.

P.220 - §4 We know that the Trinity Teacher Sons are devoted to the conscious enlightenment of universe creatures. I have arrived at the settled conclusion that the Inspired Trinity Spirits, by superconscious techniques, are also functioning as teachers of the realms. I am persuaded that there is a vast body of essential spiritual knowledge, truth indispensable to high spiritual attainment, which cannot be consciously received; self-consciousness would effectively jeopardize the certainty of reception. If we are right in this concept, and my entire order of being shares it, it may be the mission of these Inspired Spirits to overcome this difficulty, to bridge this gap in the universal scheme of moral enlightenment and spiritual advancement. We think that these two types of Trinity-origin teachers effect some kind of liaison in their activities, but we do not really know.

P.220 - §5 On the superuniverse training worlds and on the eternal circuits of Havona, I have fraternized with the perfecting mortals--spiritualized and ascendant souls from the evolutionary realms--but never have they been aware of the Inspired Spirits, which ever and anon the powers of detection resident in the Solitary Messengers would indicate were very near us. I have freely conversed with all orders of the Sons of God, high and low, and they likewise are unconscious of the admonitions of the Inspired Trinity Spirits. They can and do look back in their experiences and recount happenings which are difficult to explain if the action of such Spirits is not taken into account. But excepting Solitary Messengers, and sometimes Trinity-origin beings, none of the celestial family have ever been conscious of the nearness of the Inspired Spirits.

P.221 - §1 I do not believe the Inspired Trinity Spirits are playing hide and seek with me. They are probably trying just as hard to disclose themselves to me as I am to communicate with them; our difficulties and limitations must be mutual and inherent. I am satisfied that there are no arbitrary secrets in the universe; therefore will I never cease in my efforts to solve the mystery of the isolation of these Spirits belonging to my order of creation.

P.221 - §2 And from all this, you mortals, just now taking your first step on the eternal journey, can well see that you must advance a long way before you will progress by "sight" and "material" assurance. You will long use faith and be dependent on revelation if you hope to progress quickly and safely.

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Hi Bonita, Alina, Carola, Forum Friends,

It's surely a thought Bonita. Where's a Melchizedek when we need one?

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The conversational way the Counselor speaks to us in today's reading, is really quite touching, no? And how often does one get to read words of such fine detail written by a being who has always had eternity, who has descended from Paradise, one who works with beings that are of such a high order, they are hardly discernable?!

The details of the universal family are utterly fascinating, but how will I ever keep all of the orders in mind at once??

Alas, poor Urick.

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[Bonita]

P.220 - §4 We know that the Trinity Teacher Sons are devoted to the conscious enlightenment of universe creatures. I have arrived at the settled conclusion that the Inspired Trinity Spirits, by superconscious techniques, are also functioning as teachers of the realms. I am persuaded that there is a vast body of essential spiritual knowledge, truth indispensable to high spiritual attainment, which cannot be consciously received; self-consciousness would effectively jeopardize the certainty of reception. If we are right in this concept, and my entire order of being shares it, it may be the mission of these Inspired Spirits to overcome this difficulty, to bridge this gap in the universal scheme of moral enlightenment and spiritual advancement. We think that these two types of Trinity-origin teachers effect some kind of liaison in their activities, but we do not really know.

This paragraph has always intrigued me. There is spiritual knowledge out there which we cannot have if we are conscious of it . . . stunning. Self-consciousness and other-than-self consciousness is part of personality; does this mean that personality gets in the way of receiving this information? Is this spiritual knowledge non-personal, pre-personal, super-personal or something else?

What are the superconscious techniques that teach us here in the "realms"? The Thought Adjuster communicates with us in the superconscious arena of the mind. Does that mean that the Inspired Trinity Spirits also teach us in this arena? I have to guess that the Inspired Trinity Spirits, The Trinity Teacher Sons and the Thought Adjusters are in cahoots somehow.

[Rick Warren]

This paragraph has always intrigued me. There is spiritual knowledge out there which we cannot have if we are conscious of it . . . stunning. Self-consciousness and other-than-self consciousness is part of personality; does this mean that personality gets in the way of receiving this information? Is this spiritual knowledge non-personal, pre-personal, super-personal or something else?

What are the superconscious techniques that teach us here in the "realms"? The Thought Adjuster communicates with us in the superconscious arena of the mind. Does that mean that the Inspired Trinity Spirits also teach us in this arena? I have to guess that the Inspired Trinity Spirits, The Trinity Teacher Sons and the Thought Adjusters are in cahoots somehow.

Agree Bonita,

Intriguing because it seems to border on providencial pedagogy......What I can't learn by learning because I'm in the way, they can somehow teach.

Inspired Trinity Spirits sound like one of those beings only the Gods could have conceived and provided. Father God does appear to want to fill every possible niche in the cosmic realms.

Good questions you pose. Add them to the Melchizedek's list. Rick


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[Bonita]

Can't wait until I get into one of those Melchizedek universities . . . wonder if I have to take SAT's, get recommendations and write essays . . . I'm just guessing that my GPA is good enough . . . don't really know. I do know I definitely did fill out the application and pay the application fee though.

What I think is weird about this method of teaching is that it seems to bypasses free-will. How can that be? Maybe we consent to conscious truth but the truth that what we get is a package with conscious and superconscious components. Maybe the Inspired Trinity Spirits supply the spirit patterns mentioned below.

111.2.2  The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings — a surviving soul of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.

[Alina]

Some quotes to reflect:

110:5.1 Do not confuse and confound the mission and influence of the Adjuster with what is commonly called conscience; they are not directly related. Conscience is a human and purely psychic reaction. It is not to be despised, but it is hardly the voice of God to the soul, which indeed the Adjuster's would be if such a voice could be heard. Conscience, rightly, admonishes you to do right; but the Adjuster, in addition, endeavors to tell you what truly is right; that is, when and as you are able to perceive the Monitor's leading.

110:5.2 Man's dream experiences, that disordered and disconnected parade of the un-co-ordinated sleeping mind, present adequate proof of the failure of the Adjusters to harmonize and associate the divergent factors of the mind of man. The Adjusters simply cannot, in a single lifetime, arbitrarily co-ordinate and synchronize two such unlike and diverse types of thinking as the human and the divine. When they do, as they sometimes have, such souls are translated directly to the mansion worlds without the necessity of passing through the experience of death.

110:5.3 During the slumber season the Adjuster attempts to achieve only that which the will of the indwelt personality has previously fully approved by the decisions and choosings which were made during times of fully wakeful consciousness, and which have thereby become lodged in the realms of the supermind, the liaison domain of human and divine interrelationship.

110:5.4 While their mortal hosts are asleep, the Adjusters try to register their creations in the higher levels of the material mind, and some of your grotesque dreams indicate their failure to make efficient contact. The absurdities of dream life not only testify to pressure of unexpressed emotions but also bear witness to the horrible distortion of the representations of the spiritual concepts presented by the Adjusters. Your own passions, urges, and other innate tendencies translate themselves into the picture and substitute their unexpressed desires for the divine messages which the indwellers are endeavoring to put into the psychic records during unconscious sleep.

110:5.5 It is extremely dangerous to postulate as to the Adjuster content of the dream life. The Adjusters do work during sleep, but your ordinary dream experiences are purely physiologic and psychologic phenomena. Likewise, it is hazardous to attempt the differentiation of the Adjusters' concept registry from the more or less continuous and conscious reception of the dictations of mortal conscience. These are problems which will have to be solved through individual discrimination and personal decision. But a human being would do better to err in rejecting an Adjuster's expression through believing it to be a purely human experience than to blunder into exalting a reaction of the mortal mind to the sphere of divine dignity. Remember, the influence of a Thought Adjuster is for the most part, though not wholly, a superconscious experience.

110:5.6 In varying degrees and increasingly as you ascend the psychic circles, sometimes directly, but more often indirectly, you do communicate with your Adjusters. But it is dangerous to entertain the idea that every new concept originating in the human mind is the dictation of the Adjuster. More often, in beings of your order, that which you accept as the Adjuster's voice is in reality the emanation of your own intellect. This is dangerous ground, and every human being must settle these problems for himself in accordance with his natural human wisdom and superhuman insight.

110:5.7 The Adjuster of the human being through whom this communication is being made enjoys such a wide scope of activity chiefly because of this human's almost complete indifference to any outward manifestations of the Adjuster's inner presence; it is indeed fortunate that he remains consciously quite unconcerned about the entire procedure. He holds one of the highly experienced Adjusters of his day and generation, and yet his passive reaction to, and inactive concern toward, the phenomena associated with the presence in his mind of this versatile Adjuster is pronounced by the guardian of destiny to be a rare and fortuitous reaction. And all this constitutes a favorable co-ordination of influences, favorable both to the Adjuster in the higher sphere of action and to the human partner from the standpoints of health, efficiency, and tranquillity.

Greetings all

Alina.
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6. HAVONA NATIVES

P.221 - §3 The Havona natives are the direct creation of the Paradise Trinity, and their number is beyond the concept of your circumscribed minds. Neither is it possible for Urantians to conceive of the inherent endowments of such divinely perfect creatures as these Trinity-origin races of the eternal universe. You can never truly envisage these glorious creatures; you must await your arrival in Havona, when you can greet them as spirit comrades.

P.221 - §4 During your long sojourn on the billion worlds of Havona culture you will develop an eternal friendship for these superb beings. And how deep is that friendship which grows up between the lowest personal creature from the worlds of space and these high personal beings native to the perfect spheres of the central universe! Ascending mortals, in their long and loving association with the Havona natives, do much to compensate for the spiritual impoverishment of the earlier stages of mortal progression. At the same time, through their contacts with ascending pilgrims, the Havoners gain an experience which to no small extent overcomes the experiential handicap of having always lived a life of divine perfection. The good to both ascending mortal and Havona native is great and mutual.

P.221 - §5 Havona natives, like all other Trinity-origin personalities, are projected in divine perfection, and as with other Trinity-origin personalities, the passing of time may add to their stores of experiential endowments. But unlike the Stationary Sons of the Trinity, Havoners may evolve in status, may have an unrevealed future eternity-destiny. This is illustrated by those Havoners who service-factualize capacity for fusion with a non-Adjuster Father fragment and so qualify for membership in the Mortal Corps of the Finality. And there are other finaliter corps open to these natives of the central universe.

P.221 - §6 The status evolution of Havona natives has occasioned much speculation on Uversa. Since they are constantly filtering into the several Paradise Corps of the Finality, and since no more are being created, it is apparent that the number of natives remaining in Havona is constantly diminishing. The ultimate consequences of these transactions have never been revealed to us, but we do not believe that Havona will ever be entirely depleted of its natives. We have entertained the theory that Havoners will possibly cease entering the finaliter corps sometime during the ages of the successive creations of the outer space levels. We have also entertained the thought that in these subsequent universe ages the central universe may be peopled by a mixed group of resident beings, a citizenship consisting only in part of the original Havona natives. We do not know what order or type of creature may be thus destined to residential status in the future Havona, but we have thought of:

1. The univitatia, who are at present the permanent citizens of the local universe constellations.

2. Future types of mortals who may be born on the inhabited spheres of the superuniverses in the flowering of the ages of light and life.

3. The incoming spiritual aristocracy of the successive outer universes.

P.222 - §4 We know that the Havona of the previous universe age was somewhat different from the Havona of the present age. We deem it no more than reasonable to assume that we are now witnessing those slow changes in the central universe that are anticipatory of the ages to come. One thing is certain: The universe is nonstatic; only God is changeless.

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Good day Bonita, Alina, Forum Friends!

Was wondering about the freewill question too Bonita. Knowing that all other phases and forms of divine influence do not arbitrarily invade or upstep the human mind, I can't help but think the Inspired Trinity Spirits would not force or inject anything that went against our sovereign freewill:

...the portal of eternity opens only in response to the freewill choice of the freewill sons of the God of free will.... P.71 - §7

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Today's reading starts off declaring the Havona population is a number beyond our ability to grasp. What kind of number could that be?! Bigger than a googol perhaps (1 followed by 100 zeroes)? Bigger than a billion googols? Uh-oh, just blew my 'circumscribed' mind...

Thank you Father, for a boundless and beautiful family, Rick

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[Alina]

GOOD DAY ALL!

P.222 - §4 We know that the Havona of the previous universe age was somewhat different from the Havona of the present age. We deem it no more than reasonable to assume that we are now witnessing those slow changes in the central universe that are anticipatory of the ages to come. One thing is certain: The universe is nonstatic; only God is changeless.

12:6.1 The universe is nonstatic. Stability is not the result of inertia but rather the product of balanced energies, co-operative minds, co-ordinated morontias, spirit overcontrol, and personality unification. Stability is wholly and always proportional to divinity.

12:6.2 In the physical control of the master universe the Universal Father exercises priority and primacy through the Isle of Paradise; God is absolute in the spiritual administration of the cosmos in the person of the Eternal Son. Concerning the domains of mind, the Father and the Son function co-ordinately in the Conjoint Actor.

12:6.3 The Third Source and Center assists in the maintenance of the equilibrium and co-ordination of the combined physical and spiritual energies and organizations by the absoluteness of his grasp of the cosmic mind and by the exercise of his inherent and universal physical- and spiritual-gravity complements. Whenever and wherever there occurs a liaison between the material and the spiritual, such a mind phenomenon is an act of the Infinite Spirit. Mind alone can interassociate the physical forces and energies of the material level with the spiritual powers and beings of the spirit level.

12:6.4 In all your contemplation of universal phenomena, make certain that you take into consideration the interrelation of physical, intellectual, and spiritual energies, and that due allowance is made for the unexpected phenomena attendant upon their unification by personality and for the unpredictable phenomena resulting from the actions and reactions of experiential Deity and the Absolutes.

12:6.5 The universe is highly predictable only in the quantitative or gravity-measurement sense; even the primal physical forces are not responsive to linear gravity, nor are the higher mind meanings and true spirit values of ultimate universe realities. Qualitatively, the universe is not highly predictable as regards new associations of forces, either physical, mindal, or spiritual, although many such combinations of energies or forces become partially predictable when subjected to critical observation. When matter, mind, and spirit are unified by creature personality, we are unable fully to predict the decisions of such a freewill being.

12:6.6 All phases of primordial force, nascent spirit, and other nonpersonal ultimates appear to react in accordance with certain relatively stable but unknown laws and are characterized by a latitude of performance and an elasticity of response which are often disconcerting when encountered in the phenomena of a circumscribed and isolated situation. What is the explanation of this unpredictable freedom of reaction disclosed by these emerging universe actualities? These unknown, unfathomable unpredictables—whether pertaining to the behavior of a primordial unit of force, the reaction of an unidentified level of mind, or the phenomenon of a vast preuniverse in the making in the domains of outer space—probably disclose the activities of the Ultimate and the presence-performances of the Absolutes, which antedate the function of all universe Creators.

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[Midsoniter woman]

Thanks Alina for posting the quotes about dreams. The Inspired Trinity Spirits may well be ministering to us superconsiously thru dreams. I will dream something that actually happens weeks or months later. This may be a normal part of the human mind and not even the work of the TS. There may be nothing spiritual or unusual about dreaming the future. Although Adjusters and Inspired Trinity Spirits do work in superconscious realms of our minds, it has always been my policy to ignore dreams. I have to be very cautious not to turn into a dream freak. Afterall, some of these prophetic dreams I had were predicting events that were very frivolous. Very frivolous events. If prophetic dreams were really the work of the TS or Inspired Spirits, the events predicted would at least be significant. Or perhaps the events were important relationally to my Paradise ascent and I just don’t realize their significance.




110:5.2 Man's dream experiences, that disordered and disconnected parade of the un-co-ordinated sleeping mind, present adequate proof of the failure of the Adjusters to harmonize and associate the divergent factors of the mind of man. The Adjusters simply cannot, in a single lifetime, arbitrarily co-ordinate and synchronize two such unlike and diverse types of thinking as the human and the divine. When they do, as they sometimes have, such souls are translated directly to the mansion worlds without the necessity of passing through the experience of death.

110:5.3 During the slumber season the Adjuster attempts to achieve only that which the will of the indwelt personality has previously fully approved by the decisions and choosings which were made during times of fully wakeful consciousness, and which have thereby become lodged in the realms of the supermind, the liaison domain of human and divine interrelationship.

110:5.4 While their mortal hosts are asleep, the Adjusters try to register their creations in the higher levels of the material mind, and some of your grotesque dreams indicate their failure to make efficient contact. The absurdities of dream life not only testify to pressure of unexpressed emotions but also bear witness to the horrible distortion of the representations of the spiritual concepts presented by the Adjusters. Your own passions, urges, and other innate tendencies translate themselves into the picture and substitute their unexpressed desires for the divine messages which the indwellers are endeavoring to put into the psychic records during unconscious sleep.

110:5.5 It is extremely dangerous to postulate as to the Adjuster content of the dream life. The Adjusters do work during sleep, but your ordinary dream experiences are purely physiologic and psychologic phenomena. Likewise, it is hazardous to attempt the differentiation of the Adjusters' concept registry from the more or less continuous and conscious reception of the dictations of mortal conscience. These are problems which will have to be solved through individual discrimination and personal decision. But a human being would do better to err in rejecting an Adjuster's expression through believing it to be a purely human experience than to blunder into exalting a reaction of the mortal mind to the sphere of divine dignity. Remember, the influence of a Thought Adjuster is for the most part, though not wholly, a superconscious experience.

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7. PARADISE CITIZENS

P.222 - §5 There are resident on Paradise numerous groups of superb beings, the Paradise Citizens. They are not directly concerned with the scheme of perfecting ascending will creatures and are not, therefore, fully revealed to Urantia mortals. There are more than three thousand orders of these supernal intelligences, the last group having been personalized simultaneously with the mandate of the Trinity which promulgated the creative plan of the seven superuniverses of time and space.

P.222 - §6 Paradise Citizens and Havona natives are sometimes designated collectively as Paradise-Havona personalities.

P.222 - §7 This completes the story of those beings who are brought into existence by the Paradise Trinity. None of them have ever gone astray. And yet, in the highest sense, they are all freewill endowed.

P.222 - §8 Trinity-origin beings possess prerogatives of transit which make them independent of transport personalities, such as seraphim. We all possess the power of moving about freely and quickly in the universe of universes. Excepting the Inspired Trinity Spirits, we cannot attain the almost unbelievable velocity of the Solitary Messengers, but we are able so to utilize the sum total of the transport facilities in space that we can reach any point in a superuniverse, from its headquarters, in less than one year of Urantia time. It required 109 days of your time for me to journey from Uversa to Urantia.

P.222 - §9 Through these same avenues we are enabled to intercommunicate instantaneously. Our entire order of creation finds itself in touch with every individual embraced within every division of the children of the Paradise Trinity save only the Inspired Spirits.


P.222 - §10 [Presented by a Divine Counselor of Uversa.]

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Good day Alina, Jessica, Members and Visitors,

Wish the Counselor had revealed a little more about the Paradise Citizens, don't you? All we have is that they are "supernal intelligences" and "superb beings".

Interesting tidbit the Counselor dropped about taking 109 days to get to Urantia from Uversa. Doesn't this imply Urantia is ABOUT 1/3 of the way to the Superuniverse's edge from its capital??

Today's Section is the last in Paper 19. The Perfector of Wisdom picks up the story tomorrow in:

PAPER 20 - THE PARADISE SONS OF GOD

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[Alina]

Hi all!

Quote Rick:

"Doesn't this imply Urantia is ABOUT 1/3 of the way to the Superuniverse's edge from its capital?"

Rick,This calculation is the one I was trying to get! I do not know because the days are related to the speed and much will this?

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Jessica :

I understand what you say,because I have similar experiences .. .
Sometimes I have dreams that seem very strange, but it turns out over time (shorter or longer, depending) for some event, I realize what he meant, is very impressive and a joy in some cases I have received answers to questions because to a situation that was happening.
The delicate problem of this issue is to be extremely careful not to speculate because we are not experts yet.
Unfortunately, it is taken too lightly by unscrupulous minds, in some cases, as in some books on dreams, tells us that this thing means ... and not so easy.
It is complex, serious and is also part of a personal experience.
I have decided not to count my dreams. after some not very pleasant experiences in relation to the reaction of people, because they believe not.
Beyond the superstitions and errors of interpretation, it is true that the Thought Adjuster can, if conditions are favorable, establish a contact with us through dreams
Often, we communicate information Adjusters, and we are not aware of this course, the information is lost or remain in our memory, according to our ability to remember.
Something I want to emphasize is the sharpness of images in these dreams.
Unlike others who are confused and blurred.
I think for the Adjuster there are not past, present or future. No time for these spirits, as we perceive them.
Could say that the Adjuster can travel in time.
Right?

Inspired Trinity Spirits seem to have some kind of personalized communication with the Thought Adjusters.
Therefore, it could be that many important things are transmitted us apart from our consciousness.
However, sometime appear in our consciousness, ideas, insights... that we did not have before, apparently having done nothing for us.
He would have something to do with Intervension, Adjuster?
For me the answer is Yes

This issue is also connected with the ascending and descending.
Because knowledge spill over our minds, whether intellectual or spiritual or both.
So help us in our evolutionary path, albeit unconscious in us but ... all the ways we make use of that knowledge.

Beautiful, inspiring theme.

Love!


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Paradise Citizens.
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3:5.16 The full appreciation of truth, beauty, and goodness is inherent in the perfection of the divine universe. The inhabitants of the Havona worlds do not require the potential of relative value levels as a choice stimulus; such perfect beings are able to identify and choose the good in the absence of all contrastive and thought-compelling moral situations. But all such perfect beings are, in moral nature and spiritual status, what they are by virtue of the fact of existence. They have experientially earned advancement only within their inherent status. Mortal man earns even his status as an ascension candidate by his own faith and hope. Everything divine which the human mind grasps and the human soul acquires is an experiential attainment; it is a reality of personal experience and is therefore a unique possession in contrast to the inherent goodness and righteousness of the inerrant personalities of Havona.

3:5.17 The creatures of Havona are naturally brave, but they are not courageous in the human sense. They are innately kind and considerate, but hardly altruistic in the human way. They are expectant of a pleasant future, but not hopeful in the exquisite manner of the trusting mortal of the uncertain evolutionary spheres. They have faith in the stability of the universe, but they are utter strangers to that saving faith whereby mortal man climbs from the status of an animal up to the portals of Paradise. They love the truth, but they know nothing of its soul-saving qualities. They are idealists, but they were born that way; they are wholly ignorant of the ecstasy of becoming such by exhilarating choice. They are loyal, but they have never experienced the thrill of wholehearted and intelligent devotion to duty in the face of temptation to default. They are unselfish, but they never gained such levels of experience by the magnificent conquest of a belligerent self. They enjoy pleasure, but they do not comprehend the sweetness of the pleasure escape from the pain potential.